Thursday, July 28, 2016

Magic Number

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 This article that I posted on facebook really touched me and had me pondering family size in our society. I think all of us who happen to have more than two children had a magic number when the public comments started. Maybe it was the third baby, or perhaps the seventh. Well, apparently four is the magic number for me. It's quite comical to me because I don't consider my family large by any means. I still see us as quite small at the moment. Ask me again when we have seven, maybe. Then again the amount of food I need to cook each meal does have me feeling like a larger family some days.

The other weekend my family and I went to our local farmers market to pick up a couple of things.  I wore Baby F up on me and our other three children were walking with us. I heard a woman's voice  loudly say, "You know how that happens, right?" I looked around, not sure of where the voice came from or who is was spoken to. Then she repeated herself, "You know how that happens, right?" This time I saw that it was one of the vendors speaking and she was talking to me. I wasn't quite sure of how to respond to a comment like that. It actually made me giggle and I thought of a few comebacks but then I ended up just smiling shyly and saying, "yep."

I think I giggled because, since I had Baby F, it is starting to become expected that I will get some sort of comment about the size of my family when I am out and about. Most of them are sweet (lots of bigger families around these parts) but every now and then I get comments like the one above, from people that just might not fully see the gift that children are. I don't get offended but rather feel sorry that they feel that way. I would love to engage them in a conversation, show them how filled with joy I am because of my precious gifts, and let them see first hand how incredible children are. I never do, though. I worry that something inappropriate might be said by in front of my children by the commenters. Maybe one of these days, though, I can build up the courage.

What was your magic number when the comments started coming? Do you remember the first comment you received?

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Since we are such a large family now *Ha, Ha* I thought I would share one of the ways we save a little money as well as help out our planet. I make our own baby wipe solution. Actually I also do this out of necessity for Baby F as his skin is very sensitive, but we did this for all of our children, as well. I just use water, essential oil and cloth wipes. Easy peasy. It is fast to make, too. You know, so you can get right back to chasing around your large brood. I bought a wipe warmer like this one (many moons ago) to keep the solution warm. I just fill it about 1/3 of the way full with water. Then I add only one drop of essential oil. For the oil, I like to rotate between Gentle Baby essential oil and lavender essential oil. You could do whatever essential oil you like but be certain it is safe for baby first, many are not! One drop is all that is needed because essential oils are very strong and a tiny bit goes a long way. Once I have my water and essential oil in I add the cloth wipes. I fill those to the top. Over a short amount if time they soak up all of the water solution. I then plug the wipe warmer in and am ready for the next diaper change. See? Super simple.




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I have 3 , I wanted 4 or more , but it was not meant to be.
I have only 1 child. We wanted more, but it was sadly not possible. I get the opposite reaction from people of how could I only have one he'll be so lonely etc. etc. So I guess some people are just plain nosy and opinionated no matter what your family size.
1 reply · active 452 weeks ago
We have a 15 year old, an 11 year old and a 1 year old and everyone assumes the third baby was a "mistake" and people love to make "Oops baby" comments...what they don't know is that time between #2 and #3 was a heartbreaking struggle with infertility. I'm still baffled why anyone would comment on a family's size, or child spacing. It can be incredibly rude and insensitive.
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Yes, this is a situation that pops up. I have found that it depends on the part of the country the family is in at the time, the age of the mother, and the amount of children. I have comments about my age and number of children. There seems to be a certain age to have children. It seems that anyone past the age of 35 should not have them anymore. I even found that when I was in my early thirties, there was an age issue. If women are not suppose to have children later in life, then why do they menstrate? In a commerce society, though, it is expectable. Everything is about the money trail. However, my husband told me to look at them and say, "So, who do you think is going to pay your social security?" I was told many years ago, what is the first commandment in the bible? It is to take care of the Earth. And what is the second command in the Bible? To go forth and multiply. I was reminded that all of God's commandments and decrees, which are not suggestions, are to be upheld unto the last day when Jesus Christ finally comes again.
Thanks for the opportunity to communicate about this. It has been a topic of conversation for my husband and myself for a long time.
1 reply · active 452 weeks ago
Pehaps folks should learn that the approprite response to seeing a family - no matter what there number or age - is, "My, what a lovely family!" My friend (mother of 6 grown children) shared with me (while pregnant with my 4th blessing) her best response to the you-know-how-that-happens comments: "Yes, and we're really good at it" (big smile!). I'm not sure I could pull that one off myself.
1 reply · active 452 weeks ago
The comments started at baby number 4 and I live on the West Coast. I usually get the "You sure have your hands full" comment, but I did receive this one last month: "Are these all yours? Boy, I hope your husband makes a lot of money!" I didn't even know what to say to that - I was just so shocked by his audacity.
I have 3 daughters, ages 16, 11, and 8 right now. I always wanted 3. As soon as I got pregnant with #3 I actually KNEW I was done. I felt done. My family was complete. And I tied my tubes without a second thought and I'm happy with my 3. So honestly I was BLOWN AWAY when I started getting all the comments from random strangers about how I had my hands full or I had SO MANY children. My girls are very well behaved. It's not just me saying this. They have their meltdown moments for sure but I frequently get comments from strangers or my landlady or whomever that they are very well behaved little girls. So the comments about having my hands full seemed out of place at best. The comments that I must have been trying for a boy and how it must be hard to have 3 girls seems incredibly disrespectful and rude. I was thrilled when I found out my last babe was a girl as well. Thrilled. I could not have asked for more. So that magic number varies from family to family but I honestly don't really understand the judgement. Is it hard being a single parent to 3 daughters? Absolutely. But I wouldn't change it if I could. I feel like I've raised kind, independent, resourceful, responsible children. So obviously it should be none of anyone's business how many I have if I've done a fairly decent job thus far.
Four was our magic number also. It was the first time I noticed people bobbing their heads as they counted the kids when we walk by in a restaurant. I'm the kind of person who likes to stay in the background by nature, but you kind of get noticed everywhere you go with a family this size. It helped me out of my shell.
Over the years, I feel like the majority of people have been very kind and supportive in their reactions. There have been some snarky comments, but generally I think those people must be pretty unhappy individuals if it makes them feel better to insult a stranger, so I can cover that with grace.
1 reply · active 451 weeks ago
I must confess, I hardly ever get comments like this (I have 5 children between 14 and 1 year). It's quite the other way round: when I was pregnant with my fourth child and even with baby number five many women started explaining that they'd love(d) to have more children themselves and why this was not possible for them... I got the impression that here in my part of Switzerland larger familys are very welcome and even kind of appreciated... but maybe this is only my impression and other mothers make different experiences.
I am the eldest of eight children by the way and I remember two or three occasions when plump comments to my large family were adressed to ME as one of those many children. That was very irritating and I felt totally ashamed- but not of my parents but rather of those people and their often dirty comments...
1 reply · active 452 weeks ago
I used to think I wanted a HUGE family (9+) but I'm pregnant with my 4th and.... NO. The morning sickness, the nonstop 2nd trimester migraines, the extreme grumpiness and snapping at everyone around me, the back ache, the 9 months of depression and anxiety from thinking about the agony that is giving birth... NO. No more. I was pretty sure I was done, then #4 was a complete surprise! Plus, I like silence. I like alone time. I like not being crawled all over. I like being able to make dinner without feeling like I'm fighting an octopus off of me. I love my kids but as an introvert I just think any more would make me insane!
I have three children- two of my own and one step son and I luckily never really struggled with comments like that. I say people need to mind their own business. You are good with your children and you can care for them so have 20 if that is what you want.
We have 6 children ranging from 28 to 9. As soon as I was pregnant with number 3 the comments started coming! Of course, now people comment that I must be the younger ones grandmother instead of mother! Geesh, it is always something! I am 48, which I consider normal to be both a mom and "grammy". I have 4 grandchildren now.
I lost triplets at 25 weeks, and then went on to have a little girl (so not big at all, but had dreams that it was going to be) and when I walk my dog and have her and am shopping at the market, or am farming and my husband is away for long periods of time people say "you have your hands full", in which I reply "better full then empty". Healthy children born to you in a loving family....a big blessing in my mind.
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heathermama7 · 452 weeks ago

I started getting comments after number 4. now that i have 7, i think just have no idea what to say. LOL
I'm the oldest of seven children and though I personally never heard the comments directed to my parents, now that I'm older my father has shared with me some of the things he heard. One that particularly shocked me was that a person at our *church* spoke to my grandmother in passing and said something about 'over-population' while looking at my family. Goodness. I can't wait for the Lord to bless me with (I'm crossing my fingers) at least *five* children. I'd love to have seven like my parents did, too. There's just nothing like having six friends living at home with you (and that's what my siblings are to me - my best friends!)!
I'm the oldest of 6 children and I definitely remember the comments. I even remember one particular older woman who saw me rounding up my siblings and thought they were my children, lol. I feel like everyone has their own threshold for family size and you just know when you've reached it. Personally I have 3 kids and I know i'm done. I've reached my capacity but I definitely look on in awe at the moms who can handle more. I think the people who make comments either had a hard time being a parent or have never been a parent and just don't understand how for some women having a large family is a fulfilling and enjoyable part of their life.
Wow. Reading first your post, Nicole, and then all the stories in the comments, too, I'm just stunned at how nosy and insensitive people can be! And it's often perfect strangers who do this--not people who know you well and have a legitimate concern for your particular situation. That's not kind concern or joking or even conversation, it's rudeness and judgment.

My story...3 was our "magic number," but people started sticking their noses into our reproductive choices long before then. We didn't have our first baby until our 11th year of marriage, which a whole lot of people had opinions about (and were not at all restrained in sharing them). These were some of the same people who made comments about how I "finally got my girl" after the birth of baby #3--which, hello, is incredibly insulting to boy #2. Apparently there are those who believe that the only "correct" family is one that has two children, one girl and one boy, and if you don't get it "right" after two tries, you really ought to stop altogether. They have no qualms tossing hints if you deviate from their definition of a "normal-sized" family.

Oh, and don't even get me started on the nosiness about the timing between babies--I've heard it all on that count, too.

Re/ wanting to engage the commenters in conversation: You could, but I would bet people who speak in such unfiltered terms have their minds made up. Your giggle and move along is all the response they require.
I think that finding a magic number, any number, might be a bit of a misplaced question....wanting more, having a future-centric focus. It is true in the article that Benjamin Franklin and Beethoven were from large families, and yes, every child certainly carries their own blessings and gifts. But what is different from those times is that the population has skyrocketed, resources are limited, and it is non-debatable that westerns consume far more than their fare share. It is a dilemma, and one that I still am conflicted with...wanting to mother more children vs. stepping outside of my immediate wants and wondering, ethically, what the world needs. We have one biological and one adopted child. I would love to mother another, but am not sure what that will looks like. I must also say that you can certainly understand and cherish the gifts of children without wanting or needing a large family. Your family is truly beautiful, and regardless of my thoughts, it is unfortunately that you received such criticism. Enjoy those babes of yours.
You have a beautiful family and I was so joyed when you were blessed with Baby F. I always enjoy your blog posts even though I don't comment much.

If anyone ever said that to me, I'd probably respond and say, "No, please tell me, how does it happen?" That is just who I am. My children and I would stare with wide eyes as they try to respond, I'd be very curious of the person's response, if any.

People's rude comments can be so baffling. And yes, it is sad to know these people don't know the true blessings that children are, and that they say these things without first thinking how rude it is or how it might affect you.

On the positive side, you've been given someone new to pray for.

We have one boy (15) and one girl (11). I've always desired more, but it hasn't happened and probably won't. The two we have took awhile to conceive. We've always left the number of blessings up to God and never intervened. (I have PCOS, but was not diagnosed until a few years after our last one.) I am thankful to Him though for never having to experience miscarriage or worse. I will take our two and be thankful always.
I have to be honest...my magic number was a big fat zero!

In my (secular) upbringing I was taught by example of the families around me that children were a burden that keep adults from having fun and doing what they want. Sad but true. And I see this more and more in the generations close to mine...couples near our ages who put off having children because they are happy with their lives and don't want to lose their freedom. This is what secular culture teaches us. This is what Hollywood teaches us.

There are people in the world who do not value children because they were not valued as a child ... because they were shoved aside ..because they were unwanted. It is pretty well impossible to believe that children can be a blessing when, for your whole life, your family has been a curse, an obstacle, a source of pain. Some people just want to be free of the pain of family life.

It wasn't until I met my husband and was introduced to his church that I was also introduced to a new perspective on family...one that valued children, and even desired them. In blessing us with our daughter, God turned my whole world upside down and it brings tears to my eyes to think of the infinite ways my life is better because she is here with us. He certainly knows better than we do what is right for us and our families, doesn't he? ;)
I have 3, so I guess when I was pregnant with my third I started to get the comments. Two different times while I was pregnant and was with my two sons, people asked me if I had more children at home...as though that was the tipping point that there must be a huge herd at home! Now that they are older (5,9,11) I don't get very many 'oh your hands must be full' or 'you know how that happens' comments anymore.

Just wanted to add, that I love visiting your blog, seeing what you do with your children and reading your words is inspiring to me!
I am an older mother (43) with two daughters (3 and 7). I frequently get asked if I will "try for a boy". To be honest, I desperately wanted daughters and am thrilled to have two. Luckily I look younger than I am so I do not often get comments about being an older mother. I struggled with infertility and that is what took so long for us. If we started younger, we would have at least three children. Your family is beautiful!

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